Comments on: 4.0 – Destruction Derby http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/ Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:10:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: A Pre-Cataclysm Warlock Guide « Cynwise's Battlefield Manual http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/comment-page-1/#comment-3337 A Pre-Cataclysm Warlock Guide « Cynwise's Battlefield Manual Fri, 29 Oct 2010 03:55:25 +0000 http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/#comment-3337 [...] Destructive Reach: 4.0 Destruction Derby [...] [...] Destructive Reach: 4.0 Destruction Derby [...]

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]]> By: mefu http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/comment-page-1/#comment-3233 mefu Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:56:59 +0000 http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/#comment-3233 Well I just kinda skimmed over the text for the most part but I was just wondering if this is meant for raiding, or just pve in general? Personally to me pve = raiding so any non raiding time is usually spent pvping (yay for dualspec) :P shadowfury and shadowburn points could be much better placed if it's for raiding, such as in imp bane of agony on the affliction section to increase the crit chance on your bane of doom, anyway that's just what i've noticed. Not sure why you "had" to spec into shadowfury despite not liking it, tbh, better to go into backlash to get necessary points just because "It's a raid, stop getting hit foo" doesn't mean that you aren't going to ever get hit. You can watch your aggro all day long, that doesn't mean that sometimes things dont just happen. and when those things do happen it's really nice to get that free incin Well I just kinda skimmed over the text for the most part but I was just wondering if this is meant for raiding, or just pve in general? Personally to me pve = raiding so any non raiding time is usually spent pvping (yay for dualspec) :P

shadowfury and shadowburn points could be much better placed if it’s for raiding, such as in imp bane of agony on the affliction section to increase the crit chance on your bane of doom, anyway that’s just what i’ve noticed. Not sure why you “had” to spec into shadowfury despite not liking it, tbh, better to go into backlash to get necessary points just because “It’s a raid, stop getting hit foo” doesn’t mean that you aren’t going to ever get hit. You can watch your aggro all day long, that doesn’t mean that sometimes things dont just happen. and when those things do happen it’s really nice to get that free incin

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]]> By: sirfwalgman http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/comment-page-1/#comment-3185 sirfwalgman Fri, 15 Oct 2010 16:53:40 +0000 http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/#comment-3185 I wanna try out Destro from Affliction... Do you have any good links to 4.01 Rotations for PVP and/or PVE? I wanna try out Destro from Affliction… Do you have any good links to 4.01 Rotations for PVP and/or PVE?
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]]> By: Kakkal http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/comment-page-1/#comment-3147 Kakkal Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:22:45 +0000 http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/#comment-3147 Also, while 2/2 Aftermath may not be ideal for pve pertaining to the 12% stun on Rain of Fire, overlooking the second benefit (100% chance for Conflagrate to apply a 70% movement speed decrease on the target) is unwise in my opinion. It's not AS crucial in the current content, but I've used that before as a way to slow a mob which has targeted anyone other than the tank. On several occasions, this has allowed the dps in the group time to nuke down the target, or give the tank time to regain aggro. That's going to be a big deal in the future. Long story short, I'd move the 2/2 from Nether Protection into Aftermath. Hope this helps! Also, while 2/2 Aftermath may not be ideal for pve pertaining to the 12% stun on Rain of Fire, overlooking the second benefit (100% chance for Conflagrate to apply a 70% movement speed decrease on the target) is unwise in my opinion. It’s not AS crucial in the current content, but I’ve used that before as a way to slow a mob which has targeted anyone other than the tank. On several occasions, this has allowed the dps in the group time to nuke down the target, or give the tank time to regain aggro. That’s going to be a big deal in the future. Long story short, I’d move the 2/2 from Nether Protection into Aftermath. Hope this helps!

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]]> By: Kakkal http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/comment-page-1/#comment-3146 Kakkal Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:00:29 +0000 http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/#comment-3146 Here's a mechanic I've discovered which comes in handy during raids (tested live last night in ICC10): Soul link is no longer a talent, but a learnable spell, so having it up decreases your incoming damage by applying it to the imp. Since he's not exactly the most resilient of your minions, if you are taking damage during the AOE portion of any boss fight, he goes down pretty fast. That is, unless you put 2/2 into Fel Synergy. Doing so negates the damage you take via Soul Link (yay for healers), and makes sure that ol' Impsy doesn't succumb to an untimely demise (yay for Empowered Imp - which procs often I've noticed). It's a strange mechanic, but I've tested it and it works quite well. Just my $0.02. Cheers! Here’s a mechanic I’ve discovered which comes in handy during raids (tested live last night in ICC10):

Soul link is no longer a talent, but a learnable spell, so having it up decreases your incoming damage by applying it to the imp. Since he’s not exactly the most resilient of your minions, if you are taking damage during the AOE portion of any boss fight, he goes down pretty fast. That is, unless you put 2/2 into Fel Synergy. Doing so negates the damage you take via Soul Link (yay for healers), and makes sure that ol’ Impsy doesn’t succumb to an untimely demise (yay for Empowered Imp – which procs often I’ve noticed).

It’s a strange mechanic, but I’ve tested it and it works quite well. Just my $0.02. Cheers!

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]]> By: Toon Respeccage: « You Yank It, You Tank it: Blog of a Tanking Death Knight Lady http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/comment-page-1/#comment-3141 Toon Respeccage: « You Yank It, You Tank it: Blog of a Tanking Death Knight Lady Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:23:13 +0000 http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/#comment-3141 [...] *Carlyn has only ever been Demonology.  Here are some resources for Affliction and Affliction and Destruction. [...] [...] *Carlyn has only ever been Demonology.  Here are some resources for Affliction and Affliction and Destruction. [...]

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]]> By: Saresa http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/comment-page-1/#comment-3129 Saresa Wed, 13 Oct 2010 05:11:26 +0000 http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/#comment-3129 @Velidra yeah, that was a tough choice. I went Shadowburn, like I said, because I personally want to see how it pans out with the Soul Shard mechanic. @Hake like I said, I haven't been in beta. I just find it hard to believe that we would have to use a spell absorb effect THAT often in 4.0.1. I can think of a handful of raids where it might be useful... but not THAT useful. Remember, everyone is also getting a lot more stamina, and if you need to be able to heal yourself, you should have a variety of other options at your disposal as well. The thing a lot of people seem to be getting confused with is that this is NOT Cataclysm yet. We are still running raids that we already know. And, frankly, at the risk of sounding like a pompous arse, for most of Wrath I found healing to be rather boring. I'm drooling at the chance to dust my tree-that-was off and heal. Healer mana matters THAT much because healer mana wasn't even a real consideration in Wrath. Achloryn makes a good point regarding Nether Protection as well - you have to actually get hit in the first place for it to kick in. Let's say your bubble doesn't absorb all the incoming damage... I find it hard to believe you will take that much more after that point unless you are doing something bad on the majority of fights, like standing in the fire. It's probably not worth the trouble. @Achloryn really, I think it's kinda 50/50 there on what you take. Neither spell looks especially appealing to me, and when I first did my tree a couple weeks ago, I DID have the points in there. I can't see it being especially useful... but then, I can't see much else being useful either. @Velidra yeah, that was a tough choice. I went Shadowburn, like I said, because I personally want to see how it pans out with the Soul Shard mechanic.

@Hake like I said, I haven’t been in beta. I just find it hard to believe that we would have to use a spell absorb effect THAT often in 4.0.1. I can think of a handful of raids where it might be useful… but not THAT useful. Remember, everyone is also getting a lot more stamina, and if you need to be able to heal yourself, you should have a variety of other options at your disposal as well.

The thing a lot of people seem to be getting confused with is that this is NOT Cataclysm yet. We are still running raids that we already know. And, frankly, at the risk of sounding like a pompous arse, for most of Wrath I found healing to be rather boring. I’m drooling at the chance to dust my tree-that-was off and heal. Healer mana matters THAT much because healer mana wasn’t even a real consideration in Wrath.

Achloryn makes a good point regarding Nether Protection as well – you have to actually get hit in the first place for it to kick in. Let’s say your bubble doesn’t absorb all the incoming damage… I find it hard to believe you will take that much more after that point unless you are doing something bad on the majority of fights, like standing in the fire. It’s probably not worth the trouble.

@Achloryn really, I think it’s kinda 50/50 there on what you take. Neither spell looks especially appealing to me, and when I first did my tree a couple weeks ago, I DID have the points in there. I can’t see it being especially useful… but then, I can’t see much else being useful either.

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]]> By: 4.0.1 Survival (Class) Guides | Jaded Alt http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/comment-page-1/#comment-3123 4.0.1 Survival (Class) Guides | Jaded Alt Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:32:18 +0000 http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/#comment-3123 [...] Destructive Reach: Warlock 4.0 – We’re a Talented Bunch [Guide to Speccing] | 4.0 – Destruction Derby [...] [...] Destructive Reach: Warlock 4.0 – We’re a Talented Bunch [Guide to Speccing] | 4.0 – Destruction Derby [...]

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]]> By: elkagorasa http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/comment-page-1/#comment-3119 elkagorasa Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:27:08 +0000 http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/#comment-3119 Instead of putting points in Corruption, may I suggest putting them into [<a href="http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=18829" rel="nofollow">Doom and Gloom</a>]? With instant-cast minions of the <a href="http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=18540" rel="nofollow">doomguard</a> and <a href="http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=1122" rel="nofollow">infernal</a> flavor (on a 10min CD), you need to have BoA or BoD on them so that they attack it. I prefer agony as it has a shorter CD (great when questing to have that extra dps for 45s), especially on those quicky fights. Might as well get the increased damage, if you're gonna use it. Instead of putting points in Corruption, may I suggest putting them into [Doom and Gloom]? With instant-cast minions of the doomguard and infernal flavor (on a 10min CD), you need to have BoA or BoD on them so that they attack it. I prefer agony as it has a shorter CD (great when questing to have that extra dps for 45s), especially on those quicky fights. Might as well get the increased damage, if you’re gonna use it.
elkagorasa´s last [type] ..Youre all in the Beta now!!

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]]> By: Achloryn http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/comment-page-1/#comment-3114 Achloryn Tue, 12 Oct 2010 11:22:57 +0000 http://www.destructivereach.com/2010/10/4-0-destruction-derby/#comment-3114 Honestly Sar, I think that point for point that's what I had for my destro tree at 80... of course given that I know very little of warlock mechanics, I just based it solely on what I know of how to spec dps. The improved corruption bit had me a little shaky in my own right, and idk.. Nether prot seems like an odd place to put 2 points because it only lasts for 12 seconds AFTER getting hit by a spell. Maybe it's just me but it seems like the bubble, regardless of how small it might be, is better than the idea of more minor protection from a random errant 2nd spell... Guess we'll have to see. Honestly Sar, I think that point for point that’s what I had for my destro tree at 80… of course given that I know very little of warlock mechanics, I just based it solely on what I know of how to spec dps. The improved corruption bit had me a little shaky in my own right, and idk.. Nether prot seems like an odd place to put 2 points because it only lasts for 12 seconds AFTER getting hit by a spell. Maybe it’s just me but it seems like the bubble, regardless of how small it might be, is better than the idea of more minor protection from a random errant 2nd spell… Guess we’ll have to see.
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