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Oddly enough, in raids I have been in where people HAVE been supportive, people will own up to a mistake EVERY time. In public. A lack of fear helps people take responsibility!

@Windsoar I am exactly the same as you! I study raids the way I best study everything else – I read a strat, I take massive amounts of notes on it, then I read forums and blogs for alternative perspectives. Then I summarise my notes into something I can easily look over. Perhaps it takes longer than watching a video, but watching a video just doesn’t work well for me.

And I completely agree about most of them wanting the job and then pushing people away! :-)

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Some people are visual learners / listening learners, etc. I can’t watch a video. Videos = total garbage in terms of me actually knowing what I’M supposed to be doing. Likewise, any boss strat talk that takes 10 minutes is just too bloody long unless it’s split into tanks you do this for the fight, healers you do this for the fight, etc. At least then the raider has some clue as to when to tune in DEEPLY, and when it’s ok to be in lala land.

I like reminders during the fight (ok, phase 2, watch the head) but I can’t handle a mid fight strategy introduction / change b/c “omg, I just had a brilliant idea!” moment.

Once the content is learned, raid leaders aren’t even needed (at least in my experience). RL’s take on an ugly job but frankly, someone’s gotta do it, and most of you actually volunteer for it! That doesn’t make you a better player, just a more masochist one :P Don’t chase off your raiders — they may not come back.
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What I just can’t stand is the following scenario:

Wipe or Bosskill. Four players die, or die too early if the boss then dies anyway. Raidleader asks every single person why he or she has died. Raidleader then critiques every single of the four people. This process takes a lot of time and is in fact just bullying people.

I had this for months and it was freakin’ ridiculous. We all get killed from time to time, and most of the time it’s just a stupid error, that I know was stupid and everyone else know was stupid. This time consuming Q&A after every wipe just drove me crazy, especially because it just had nothing to do with constructive post-fight analysis.

Of course same raid leader was never able to pull of decent DPS, because he had to “watch what’s going on” all the time.
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Nowhere in my post did I ever excuse poor player performance. Some people are, unfortunately, outright morons. Some are lazy. Some just don’t like following instructions. None of what I said excuses those people, or any other person who isn’t doing their job properly. However, yabbering over vent at them like an instruction tape on speed isn’t always going to improve the situation – in fact, it will often make the situation worse, and distract other people who were probably doing their job just fine. Best solution – if someone sucks, just don’t let them raid. Easy.

Wiping on farm content does suck, and is unacceptable. What I find frustrating is when people complain and bitch about wiping on progression content. Some content just takes a lot of wiping. It happens. When the raid leader doesn’t foster an environment where this is understood, it causes a hell of a lot of issues. Like I said, this mainly happens when all that happens after a wipe is critiquecritiquecritique.

Not to mention – some nights… things just don’t work, and there’s more wiping anyway. I tend to notice this the night after a big football game has been on the TV, or if it’s after a public holiday. Doesn’t happen very often, but when it does, there’s no use jumping up and down about it. Call the raid if it’s that bad, but don’t chew your raiders out over it.

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Coming from where I’m at, the first few fights on a boss are going to be learning attempts. We use it to get a feel for the fight from an individual and from a group scale. We find out what works and what doesn’t work. Those are acceptable wipes. In fact, those are progression wipes.

Granted most raid leaders don’t know how to utilize a two way street or their players. I listen very intently to my guys when there is an issue that arises. At the same time, in some cases, there is nothing that can be physically done. It all boils down to the player grinding it out and find a way to get their job done. Miss an interrupt on Vezax? To the Rogues, that is their job the entire fight. There is no viable reason or excuse to miss one other than a disconnect. If that’s a problem, then my solution is to find an alternative player to take care of interrupts.

What really annoys the heck out of me is when players die to extremely dumb mistakes after farming a boss for several weeks. I came really close to chewing out two of my players today. Why? Because they got hit by Icehowl. In fact, they ran INTO Ice howl. They were never his original targets. Those guys were given notice. One of them was immediately told to take the night off and to just take a personal day. Wiping to new content because you’re learning it is one thing.

Wiping to farm content is something else entirely. If my raiders can’t handle that level of pressure that comes with this game, then we part company with no hard feelings. It takes a certain personality and type of player to get through aspects of raiding. Not everyone has it.

It’s like having good parking skills. Not everyone has it.

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This certainly isn’t an attack on raid leaders full stop. I agree that raiders have to take a certain level of responsibility, but, lets face it, that topic gets discussed so bloody often that it’s very obvious what they need to do. I assume that all raiders research strats. That is another reason why overly verbose explanations are a good way to lose raider focus (we know it all already!)

In terms of the RL ‘knowing more than everyone else’, I don’t solely mean the mechanics of a fight. Many RL’s seem to honestly believe that they are more skilled players than everyone else. Few of them will admit to this in public, but they either make it revoltingly obvious in their attitude, or they say so in private :-).

As I said, I could have also put in all the things that raiders should be doing. But, that would have made what was a veeeeery long post much longer, and that expectation should be clearly set by the guild. If you have raiders who don’t do the most basic things, well… you really have no reason to take them.

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Also, when people say “I just don’t GET this fight” or “I’m just really bad at this fight” or “I’m really bad, replace me” it’s really not always the RL’s fault. If you’re a raider saying that, why aren’t you sending a tell asking the raid leader what you did wrong? Or looking at recount to see how you died and how you could fix it?

You also tell your RL to not issue instructions mid-fight, but also to not explain an entire multi-phase fight before beginning the encounter. This seems contradictory. What if you get into a phase you didn’t expect to? Wipe it for no reason?

You also say that the RL doesn’t know more than everyone else, but that he has to explain the fight to everyone and that you haven’t watched the video. Doesn’t this mean he DOES know more about an encounter’s mechanics than the rest of the raid, who hasn’t read up on the strategy?

Hmm..long comment. >.>
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