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		<title>By: Wowmomma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wowmomma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to say that both you and your boyfriend are being hyper vigilant about your raid status.  If you&#039;re capable of pulling 4k DPS, your gear AND ability are perfectly acceptable for starting Ulduar.  You can&#039;t prove yourself nor get experience if you&#039;re both overly concerned about &#039;how it looks&#039; if the RL&#039;s girlfriend is invited to a raid.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to say that both you and your boyfriend are being hyper vigilant about your raid status.  If you&#8217;re capable of pulling 4k DPS, your gear AND ability are perfectly acceptable for starting Ulduar.  You can&#8217;t prove yourself nor get experience if you&#8217;re both overly concerned about &#8216;how it looks&#8217; if the RL&#8217;s girlfriend is invited to a raid.<br />
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		<title>By: Shy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are absolutely sure and certain that your performance warrants a raid spot,  

And you have communicated this clear and without animosity to your guild/raid leaders,  

And you value raiding over being with the people you feel are your friends, 

And they are still not willing to give you a chance to prove that you can do this. 

Move on.
.-= Shy&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://shyatwow.blogspot.com/2009/07/wow-youre-skilled.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WoW you&#039;re skilled!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are absolutely sure and certain that your performance warrants a raid spot,  </p>
<p>And you have communicated this clear and without animosity to your guild/raid leaders,  </p>
<p>And you value raiding over being with the people you feel are your friends, </p>
<p>And they are still not willing to give you a chance to prove that you can do this. </p>
<p>Move on.<br />
.-= Shy&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://shyatwow.blogspot.com/2009/07/wow-youre-skilled.html" rel="nofollow">WoW you&#8217;re skilled!</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Kolan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 05:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Sar,

I have recently come to the conclusion that you can be in a guild for ages and think that you are really important then realise that nobody would really care if you left. I consider myself an important part of my guild. I am close to the GM and get on very well with the rest of the core members. However I play a hunter and a lock. Both I can play well but my hunter is my main and biggest hitter. I am always one of the first invited to raids if I am on. Overall it is great.

But... I play a ranged dps class on both toons and although my hunter is consistently in the top 1 or 2 dps on every raid I am sure that taking someone with 5-600 dps less would not make or break most raids. If I left I am sure that people would be very upset for a day or more but the guild and raiding would go on. That may be different for a MT or MH but eventually they would be replaced as well.

In the end the majority of the people who play the game do so whoever it suits them. Those of us who go out of our way to help a guild and others are appreciated but unfortunately also a rarity. I am saddend to say I am not as helpful as I once was. I have been burned by people too many times. Nowdays I am working on a horde alt to see a different side of WoW and I normally only log onto the main 15 mins before a raid. It is a shame but 15 mins after you leave a guild the majority of players in the guild will forget who you were.

I hate to say it but &quot;It is your $15. Do whatever makes you happy.&quot;

Cheers

Kol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sar,</p>
<p>I have recently come to the conclusion that you can be in a guild for ages and think that you are really important then realise that nobody would really care if you left. I consider myself an important part of my guild. I am close to the GM and get on very well with the rest of the core members. However I play a hunter and a lock. Both I can play well but my hunter is my main and biggest hitter. I am always one of the first invited to raids if I am on. Overall it is great.</p>
<p>But&#8230; I play a ranged dps class on both toons and although my hunter is consistently in the top 1 or 2 dps on every raid I am sure that taking someone with 5-600 dps less would not make or break most raids. If I left I am sure that people would be very upset for a day or more but the guild and raiding would go on. That may be different for a MT or MH but eventually they would be replaced as well.</p>
<p>In the end the majority of the people who play the game do so whoever it suits them. Those of us who go out of our way to help a guild and others are appreciated but unfortunately also a rarity. I am saddend to say I am not as helpful as I once was. I have been burned by people too many times. Nowdays I am working on a horde alt to see a different side of WoW and I normally only log onto the main 15 mins before a raid. It is a shame but 15 mins after you leave a guild the majority of players in the guild will forget who you were.</p>
<p>I hate to say it but &#8220;It is your $15. Do whatever makes you happy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Kol</p>
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		<title>By: Zahrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zahrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My not getting invites to a raid was a massive motivation for me to do /be/gear/understand my class better, and each time I changed guilds,  it became easier to leave because ex guildys become only toons to wave to once in a blue moon.   Now that they all know you are keen,  and you want it bad enough to raise it,  maybe it will change, but if it doesn&#039;t then you will need to leave,  or you will hate logging in.   If they don&#039;t know that a good healer, can be a good healer,even with undergeared spellpower and aren&#039;t willing to test you out -  then they are the scrubs. Good luck , and I hope you do whats best for you
.-= Zahrah&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://pugnaciouspriest.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/if-i-were-casting-the-warcraft-movie-horde-part-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;If I were casting the Warcraft Movie – Horde Part 2&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My not getting invites to a raid was a massive motivation for me to do /be/gear/understand my class better, and each time I changed guilds,  it became easier to leave because ex guildys become only toons to wave to once in a blue moon.   Now that they all know you are keen,  and you want it bad enough to raise it,  maybe it will change, but if it doesn&#8217;t then you will need to leave,  or you will hate logging in.   If they don&#8217;t know that a good healer, can be a good healer,even with undergeared spellpower and aren&#8217;t willing to test you out &#8211;  then they are the scrubs. Good luck , and I hope you do whats best for you<br />
.-= Zahrah&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://pugnaciouspriest.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/if-i-were-casting-the-warcraft-movie-horde-part-2/" rel="nofollow">If I were casting the Warcraft Movie – Horde Part 2</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Saresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@candy oh I had spoken to him about this many times... he just kept saying &#039;he can&#039;t show favoritism, your gear isn&#039;t good enough to go in there&#039;.  We don&#039;t exactly advertise the fact we are seeing each other in guild either, so some people know, but not everyone does.  WoW is a separate aspect of our relationship, and we try to not let it cross over.  While I felt I deserved to go to some runs, at the same time I don&#039;t want to me there JUST because I am the Raid Leader&#039;s girlfriend!  It&#039;s a tricky balancing act</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@candy oh I had spoken to him about this many times&#8230; he just kept saying &#8216;he can&#8217;t show favoritism, your gear isn&#8217;t good enough to go in there&#8217;.  We don&#8217;t exactly advertise the fact we are seeing each other in guild either, so some people know, but not everyone does.  WoW is a separate aspect of our relationship, and we try to not let it cross over.  While I felt I deserved to go to some runs, at the same time I don&#8217;t want to me there JUST because I am the Raid Leader&#8217;s girlfriend!  It&#8217;s a tricky balancing act</p>
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		<title>By: candy</title>
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		<dc:creator>candy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 01:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guild situation totally sucks. But the kicker at the end that the raid leader is your boyfriend is what makes no sense to me -- like something was left out?

Had you not talked to your boyfriend previously about wanting to come to raids? Or was this the only raid he had led? I am seriously confuzzled as to how/why you would be talking to guild officers/the GL and not your boyfriend about this first, unless of course he isn&#039;t sitting in the room next to you playing...but even if he were long distance, seems to me that would have been a good place to start.

Good luck tho!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guild situation totally sucks. But the kicker at the end that the raid leader is your boyfriend is what makes no sense to me &#8212; like something was left out?</p>
<p>Had you not talked to your boyfriend previously about wanting to come to raids? Or was this the only raid he had led? I am seriously confuzzled as to how/why you would be talking to guild officers/the GL and not your boyfriend about this first, unless of course he isn&#8217;t sitting in the room next to you playing&#8230;but even if he were long distance, seems to me that would have been a good place to start.</p>
<p>Good luck tho!<br />
.-= candy&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.furlinedteacup.com/bibleofdreams/2009/07/guild-recruitment-applicant-factchecking.html" rel="nofollow">Guild Recruitment: Applicant Fact-checking</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Kassi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kassi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know how you feel and have been there before. That said, more worried about your boyfriend ... he really should be supporting you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know how you feel and have been there before. That said, more worried about your boyfriend &#8230; he really should be supporting you!</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tristan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ve been in that situation before, at first my guild was good and i liked it , then some drama made guild split (ive been loyal to it from the beginning). so there were no more naxx25 runs and only ulduar runs, and then ive finally got to get along with them in their runs( just 1 or 2) and i did pretty well, but yeah lately they kinda ignored me... i always showed up on raid times, ive been helping ppl, boosting etc just to get a bit respect. ive been reading strategies etc and i know about my class , then well then i noticed they took alts to ulduar and a member who has been in the guild at the same time i got in got a coremember rank he has done as much dedication to the guild as i did. i&#039;ve been loyal to them and they kinda ignored me, not much later i explained the situation to the guild  and left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve been in that situation before, at first my guild was good and i liked it , then some drama made guild split (ive been loyal to it from the beginning). so there were no more naxx25 runs and only ulduar runs, and then ive finally got to get along with them in their runs( just 1 or 2) and i did pretty well, but yeah lately they kinda ignored me&#8230; i always showed up on raid times, ive been helping ppl, boosting etc just to get a bit respect. ive been reading strategies etc and i know about my class , then well then i noticed they took alts to ulduar and a member who has been in the guild at the same time i got in got a coremember rank he has done as much dedication to the guild as i did. i&#8217;ve been loyal to them and they kinda ignored me, not much later i explained the situation to the guild  and left.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, as your boyfriend he should know your toon and gear status as well as you do.  I&#039;m sure you two have talked about WoW irl.  What he did was not cool at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, as your boyfriend he should know your toon and gear status as well as you do.  I&#8217;m sure you two have talked about WoW irl.  What he did was not cool at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Bellwether</title>
		<link>http://www.destructivereach.com/2009/07/when-your-guild-breaks-your-heart/comment-page-1/#comment-1310</link>
		<dc:creator>Bellwether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your boyfriend did and said what??

That&#039;s...really not cool. :\</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your boyfriend did and said what??</p>
<p>That&#8217;s&#8230;really not cool. :\</p>
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